Does that also apply to indigenous people in Latin America?
René: Well in Latin America on the whole there has been a tremendous exploitation of the Indian population. In fact that is one of the big issues that many of these countries have to face because there is a resistance movement and some of the Indians are becoming more and more educated, and able to protest and try to get the countries reorganised so as to defend the rights of the native populations. What has happened in Bolivia is a tremendous example of what could happen in countries such as Mexico , Guatemala , Peru , and Ecuador where the percentage of Indian population is quite high. JS: Yes, I think they were referring to Wilberforce as being sort of elevated to sainthood because he is white, but former slaves played pioneering roles in the abolitionist movement. René: Yes. In some countries the Indian population is totally disregarded. I mean, at the time of the Spanish conquest, there were people who were arguing whether Indians were fully human —whether they had a soul—or wheth