How do you understand the fight for marriage equality and LGBT rights in the larger historical context?
Well there have been great movements—at least in the 20th century—the 20th century was more about great movements: the labor movement, the civil rights movement, and the women’s rights movement. They all began as hated minorities; they all triumphed by winning over the country. It was a struggle. The GBLT community needs to understand that everything in this world is a struggle; that white ethnic groups who came to this country had to win their way into the country. You know, “No Irish Need Apply.” You can just find the ethnic group, you’ll find the epithet. So that encourages me to be optimistic. Along with the gorgeous statistics that show rapid generational acceptance for equality for the GBLT community in every respect, now even including marriage. There is a history of collaboration on civil rights and social justice issues with the faith community. Do you see a future for this kind of collaboration again when it comes to gay rights? Well frankly I would be more critical than comp