Is that [Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul] Wolfowitz and [Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas] Feith?
Right. The policy people — the people who later become very important to how you’re going to prosecute not just Afghanistan, but more importantly the war on terror writ large after that, and certainly Iraq — I think their common denominator is a vision for the Middle East in particular. Not necessarily Rumsfeld, but all of the people around him, who would include those that we just mentioned, who grew up intellectually together and who have worked in and out of the same circles, and who have a vision of the Middle East as one that you really need to change the status quo, their vision for that is that we can use force. It wasn’t just to defeat Saddam Hussein; it was to create a new model for the Middle East that would be attractive to the people of the Middle East. … Securing Israel is a number one priority, and you would use the United States and its backing of Israel to do that and its armed forces. That’s clearly one of their main strategies in the Middle East, is to make Israel
